Hillary "plagiarizes" Howard Dean

For those Clinton supporters stoking the Obama "just words" flames, I say: Do you really want to continue this war of words?

On the front page of Tuesday's New York Times, an interesting quote from Hillary Clinton appears well above the fold:

"Mrs. Clinton told an audience that the Wisconsin primary and subsequent contests were 'a chance for all of you here to help take our country back.

ZOMG -- She said take our country back... It's plagiarism! Alert CNN, alert MSNBC, alert FoxNews, alert Lauer and Tapper and Limbaugh: Clinton is blatantly copying the language 2003-2004 presidential campaign of Howard Dean.

"Take our country back," "take your country back," "I want my country back." These, of course, were the rallying cries of Dean (and Deaniacs like myself).

In fact, Dean used the phrase in announcing his campaign on June 23rd, 2003.

I naturally fully expect this instance of plagiarism to be trumpeted and repeated as endlessly in both the mainstream media and the blogs as the supposed plagiarism of Obama has been.

Nevermind that Obama and Patrick work closely together, and Patrick says he authorized Obama to use any quotes which might appear to have originated with him. Just as Obama authorized Patrick to use his Senatorial "Yes, We Can" slogan in his gubernatorial campaign.

We must stop this plague of plagiarism before it brings our party and our nation to its knees. After all, the struggle to take our country back is not just words.

But seriously, folks:

Is either Clinton or Obama a plagiarist? Hardly. Unlike the more extensive instance of actual plagiarism which forced Senator Joseph Biden from an earlier race, these phrases ("just words," "take our country back") are common to political debate. We should firmly distinguish between passing off extended passages and substantial arguments as one's own, and the day-to-day sloganeering of politics.

Voters deserve better during this campaign than endless games of "gotcha" among candidates and the media. Silly tit-for-tat accusations of this kind do nothing to inform us about the issues facing our nation, how to solve them, and for whom to vote.

Not that I'm going to hold my breath waiting for our political discourse to improve.



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Go ahead, tip or flame me. (none / 0)

I have an original phrase for these situations:

BRING IT ON!

I thought that up myself.


by Hudson on Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 04:33:57 PM EST

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BORRRRRRRINGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


by Chili Dogg on Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 04:34:08 PM EST

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With great patience, I implore you (Obama Supporters) to understand. Copying a slogan is NOT plagiarism. In your desire to defend, you forget that Obama copied an ABUNDANT amount of Patrick's speech VERBATIM. No one said anything when Obama used "Si Se Puede!" But he copied someone's speech...literally.


by HillaryKnight08 on Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 04:35:41 PM EST

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Precisely said.


by Sleepless in Virginia on Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 04:40:46 PM EST
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Thank you for the compliment.


by HillaryKnight08 on Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 04:46:12 PM EST
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He copied a line from a speech.  I'll give you that.  But what does that mean?  Does it somehow mean that his economic plan is somehow less sound?  I don't understand all this nonsense and why this story still has legs.  


by Chili Dogg on Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 04:41:12 PM EST

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It doesn't, outside of MyDD and Taylor Marsh.


by animated on Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 04:42:41 PM EST
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He copied more than 'a line' from a speech. Her copied an entire section, wholesale and word for word. There is a huge difference.

And parroting a rival campaigns slogan is not that same thing and you know it.


by americanincanada on Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 04:46:51 PM EST
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that was different, in this case it's clear that deval patrick doesn't give a shit, and he has openly said that he borrows lines from obama to.

plagiarism means jack shit when you have the okay of the writer himself.


by Lazeriath on Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 05:50:59 PM EST
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Wrong.

Try that in a magazine. Quote some other work and forget to give credit. it won't matter whether you have permission or not. Same with a term paper. Give me a break.

I wish Joe Biden would speak out on this.


by americanincanada on Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 05:55:39 PM EST
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Obama plaigarized which tarnishes his image.


by Liberty on Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 04:45:08 PM EST

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*plagiarized...typo


by Liberty on Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 04:48:08 PM EST

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All politics are derivative of what has come before.


Bill Foster would agree, Barack Obama has coat tails.
by Walt Starr on Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 04:55:23 PM EST

Hillary has taken credit (none / 0)

for writing a book she didn't write, then didn't even acknowledge the work of the actual authors! that, in my mind, is worse than reusing campaign rhetoric.


by highgrade on Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 05:16:54 PM EST

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I wish no unkindness to Obama. Yet I thought about it, and the speech comes out as ironic. In it, he claimed that words mattered, but unfortunately, they didn't matter enough to be his own.


by HillaryKnight08 on Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 05:18:56 PM EST

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Obama caught again. I can't believe anyone bought into his 'inspiration'. He is nothing more than a product of Axelrod.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgctsiois Jg


by americanincanada on Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 05:27:30 PM EST

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I've been rather shocked that the plagarism meme has  any traction, but when I saw this on NBC news right now, I have to say I was pretty flabbergasted.

Using the famous words of from other great speeches to defend yourself is actually a pretty good way to do it.  Unfortunately, Patrick had used something similar, but this...this is almost the bottom line of Obama's candidacy. For it to be WORD for WORD is just...god.  I am really shocked.

I really am...


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by FitnessNerd on Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 06:47:31 PM EST
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And to just comment on this diary, I have to say it is completely different thing.  MSNBC was trying to say that since Hillary quoted a famous bible passage at Coretta Scott King's funeral and Bill had used it before, too...then it is an example of plagiarism.  It's not...

In the beginning...

Oh god, I plagiarized God!

No, what Obama has done is pretty much a wholesale copy of Deval Patrick, who has turned out to be "just words".  Obama has done something that is intellectually impossible to defend.


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by FitnessNerd on Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 06:51:01 PM EST


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